Natasha Page joins me today as we talk about her mood cards: My Little Therapy Box. I love these and wanted to talk with her about why she created them and how they can support you in clearing mental clutter.

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Natasha Page is the founder of My Little Therapy Box and is a B.A.C.P Accredited Counsellor/Psychotherapist with over 10 years of experience in supporting clients.

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Natasha’s journey to become a Counsellor/Psychotherapist started when she was in her early 20’s, and went through a period of low mood/depression to the point where one day she didn’t want to go to work. She knew something had to change. She didn’t have a clue what counselling was or how it could help but in her despair thought anything was worth a try. Therapy changed her life and it sparked an interest in Natasha to want to help others like she had been helped.

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Julie Coraccio 0:01
Today on Clear Your Clutter inside now, we’re talking about my little therapy box.

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Hey, everyone. By the time you listen to this, we will have been moved to West Virginia. We do not have a house yet. Although just a reminder, you never know how things are going to turn out. Tomorrow is my birthday. We’ll find out if we got a house we had put a bid on crazy number of bids. cash offers went 20 grand above asking price and on a purchase of a house, we’re just not going to make a dumb financial mistake. Anyway, long story short, yesterday morning, got a text from my realtor it fell through. So today’s Wednesday. Well, today’s Thursday, yesterday was Wednesday, Fridays, my birthday, it was set to close on Friday, and the seller backed out two days before closing. So we’re able to submit a bid. Right now I just got an update that the seller can’t see our bid until the buyer released, which is probably gonna happen when it was supposed to close. So anyway, maybe we’ll find out on my birthday. If we got a house. Regardless, we just made the decision, we’re going to move forward, we are going to get going and we’re going to move. So I wanted to do something a little bit different. I was trying to shake it up. And so I want to talk about things I love. And it’s probably a little bit different from anything that I’ve done in the past. But as you can imagine it will be tied to clearing clutter.

I gone through a lot right now. My mom is dying. It’s hard to say that. But that’s the reality. And I’m hopeful that

she will make it to her birthday in June. I also respect that she’s got to do what she’s got to do to prepare for the next great adventure. And I would be even more excited. It’s a long shot that she’d be alive to Christmas. I don’t think that’s going to happen. The National Parks celebrate Christmas in July on July 25. So I am hopeful that

she might make it till then. So I’ve got a lot going on. I wanted to get something because I’m we moved June 14. And I’m going to spend those couple weeks really focused on my mom and settling in perhaps into a new home. She’d be great. So anyway, I was like let’s do something fun things that I like.

Today’s episode specifically was inspired by my dear teacher, Judy, if you haven’t listened to interviews with Judy, do so because she’s awesome. But she always said to me,

I’m teaching you these tools, but go out and gather and find many tools for your toolbox. And I think that that’s something that’s really important. I think that

when someone says you My way is the only way or says don’t look at other things, then that’s when you have to go whoa. And I think when I got caught up on that spiritual group, it was a little little bit of that. And so I always try to share things that I feel support you, you know that I’m very, very particular about who I interview on the podcast, because I have such a great audience. I want someone that’s awesome. I don’t want someone that you’re really.

So my hope for today is that this spurs, how you can address some mental clutter you may have. Maybe it’s not this particular product, but maybe something in the conversation I have with Natasha sparks an aha moment for you. And so that’s kind of the hope and desire and that’s the hope and desire for all the things if the products aren’t something that you’d use, they may be inspire you to do you research or take that next step to declutter your life.

I wanted to have today’s guest because she created something that I think’s pretty cool and groovy. We have different approaches, but we are very similar in a lot of ways and I believe and thinking and so I’m very comfortable with what she’s put together and, and why I’m a coach. She’s a counselor, which I would also call therapists. You know, she’s in the UK, so they might have different terminology. She refers to herself as a counselor, but I like it when there are like minded people just have some different approaches. And it’s all good. I want to expose you like Judy said different tools for your toolbox.

In my view, there’s a mental health crisis in this country.

entry and across the world, quite frankly, I think COVID exacerbated it. But I think it’s been there for a while and we don’t address mental health.

I hear therapists you are booked, they can’t take on any more clients. I know of a situation where there weren’t beds. And so someone had to wait four days in a waiting room before they could get a bed.

I also know when someone was trying to find a mental health hospital that they first three were booked. And then they had to look at the second three or four and finally find a place. And so

while our discussion today and the product today is not going to stop

a mental health crisis, I believe that it can serve as a starting point, if you’re overwhelmed, this can serve as a starting point, it can maybe be the catalyst for you to say, You know what, I need to talk to someone, this is beyond me, I need support. And that’s why I think it really does a lot of of good. And I’m just going to add a little bonus, I had her as I always do pick a card and I said, Oh, you know, kind of what came off the top of my head but I’ve had a couple of weeks to reflect on it. And it was about work. And I think one change that I’ve made that has had a huge impact on my mental health is that

one I think it’s really important to know you can’t be everything to everyone and so I have done have put out there you know, I only want to work with people who are ready to roll no judgment on those that don’t.

So anyway, I hope that this can serve as a starting point for clearing your mental clutter and if you need support to get it

please don’t feel shame. I think there’s a huge stigma around mental health. I think we know we would live in a much different place, and society if we all got the support that we needed. So please don’t let shame stop you and take that next step whatever it might be for you to get support.

Let me tell you about today’s guest now it’s a bonus that she has an English accent I always love good accent. Natasha Paige is the founder of my little therapy box and is a BA CP accredited counselor, psychotherapist with over 10 years of experience in supporting clients. She believes that everyone should at some point experience the benefits of counseling. Natasha’s journey to become a counselor psychotherapist started when she was in her early 20s. And went through a period of low mood and depression to the point where one day she didn’t want to go to work. She knew something had to change. She didn’t have a clue what counseling was or how it could help her. But in her despair, thought anything was worth a try. Therapy changed her life. And it sparked an interest in Natasha to want to help others like she had been helped.

Natasha Page 8:01
Welcome Natasha. Hello. Nice to be here, Julie. Now we’re going to do something a little bit differently. At the start of this interview, I’d like to take you to take your kin, I want you to pull out all the cards and I want you to shuffle them. And I’m asking the universe you know, everything’s energy, you might mean that UK and I’m here in North Carolina, but everything is energy. So I want you to shuffle and you’re gonna pick what does the universe want me to know? What is it? Not that fun? And then we’re gonna go from there and tell everyone why I wanted to have you on today. And what this groovy little thing you’ve created is a great Well, I think that’s a very good idea. And I’ve got no, you know, ideas of what we’re going to be doing today. So I love your idea around just picking something out of the box. So I’ll just show you the bucks there. Now you’ve seen it before, JD but they go. It’s my little therapy box. So we’re gonna ask her why she created this, but it’s beautiful. And so if you’ve listened to the podcast for a while, you know that I’ve done some readings like if you haven’t listened to one in January, it was insane. The cards that I pulled everyone for the year. So I always believe I like to do this. What is it that I need to hear in this moment? So we’re gonna see what she ends up pulling for make? Yes, yeah. And I’m not going to cheat because I was really looking at and then Julie, but I am just going to call an out of the box and see what what comes out. So.

Okay, so this is an interesting theme. And so problems in work and education, work or education. Now, I know that you’re a business owner, so I don’t know, you know where that might apply to you. But what yeah, what does that bring up? Well, I’m rebranding my website. And so I think that a large part of that is having people look

Julie Coraccio 10:00
The website really Oh, yeah, you’re awesome. I want to work with you. And so that’s the first thing that pops up. But I would say education because for me, that’s very broadly. You know, like, I consider my personal growth education, because it’s holistic, and for me as a person, and so I would have my projects that I’m working on is I call it cult, like, when I got involved with a woman’s group and had some of the person running, it influenced me a little too much. So that’s my, my, my thing. So that’s, and so I would say, for me, to be aware of that, that’s what covers pops into my mind without Yeah, about it. Yes, yeah. Okay, so I don’t know if that’s one that you’re expecting to come up. And of course, normally, people would, would look through them and get, you know, the choice to sort of pick the areas that they feel they want to focus on, or that they might be having struggles

Natasha Page 10:58
in at the moment. So but you didn’t have a choice there. Yeah. You know, so you might think about that even deeper later on.

Really? No, and I’m a firm believer in that. And that’s just off the top of my head is what popped in. So you know, about that. So I want you to tell us a little bit about my therapy box. Why did you create it? And show it? So, yes, on the podcast, you’re gonna Yes, YouTube, because they’re, they’re really gorgeous and colorful? And,

yes, yes, that I know that this is for the podcast, but of course, you do put it on YouTube. So I’ll try to remember that and, and be visual as well. And so, basically, mileage therapy box. The idea came to me about two years ago, in 2019, I think it was originally, I work as a psychotherapist, I work with clients all the time, obviously, with different struggles that they might be coming to counseling with, and supporting them, you know, with with whatever they need to discuss in our in our sessions. But I know that some clients when they come into a first therapy session, they might not know where to start, or they might not even be clear about what is the root cause of sort of their distress. So they’re feeling low mood, or they’re feeling anxious, they can’t quite put, you know, words to how they’re feeling. And obviously, that’s really important in therapy. Of course, we don’t always, people don’t always find it easy to communicate in words. And especially when you’re in a one to one setting, with a person you’ve not met before. So I started to think about this theme really, of how people could be helped and supported through the early days of therapy, but also, maybe not with even going to therapy at all. So perhaps as a prelude to come into therapy, or to starting conversations with loved ones about struggles that they might be having. Because again, this is something that I think we still struggle with as a society is masking our true emotions and actually being open about how we’re feeling. And so there’s a few sort of reasons really why I created managed therapy box. Traditional sort of mood cards that have been out there are often focused on emotions, so you know, anxiety or happy, sad. But I wanted to try and produce a product that could help people actually think of no tangible themes that they might be struggling with in their life. So they could be very clear around what was actually contributed to them, perhaps not feeling fulfilled or feeling happy, or maybe just wanting to improve it an element of their life. So not necessarily being unhappy or wanting to improve something.

Julie Coraccio 14:08
I don’t know how it is in the UK, but I here in the US, I am on different social media, women’s group, women business groups, and I can’t tell you how many posts I see. I can’t get in to see a mental health counselor, because they’re all booked or to see a coach or whatever it is, you know, depending on on your level of stress. And so I think COVID You know, I just talked to someone from Nova Scotia the other day, and she said, you know, we’re now getting COVID We’ve been out a problem and now so, you know, who knows, I’m hoping things will improve. But what I love about this is it’s something that you have and that you can easily access, which I think if you can’t find someone, then at least we have a starting point, like you said, and I think that that is so so important. Yes. Can you share a little more on maybe a card like do you give people actually Action Items, what is it that? How does this help support people? And how Yes, now I had fun at the beginning, because I always like to pull cards, but maybe give a couple ways that they can use this. That makes sense.

Natasha Page 15:11
Yes, that does make sense. And you know, that’s a good idea to, to talk you through how the product actually works. So within the resource, so obviously, I have the tenant before, but just to hold it up again. No YouTube viewers. So, you know, obviously, that that’s the front and then on the back is instructions? Well, not really instructions, this is just describing what the product is. And then inside the term, there’s instructions of how you can use it. You can use it in different ways. So it may be that you’re a professional who would like to use it with a client that’s going to visit you whether you’re a coach or therapist or a school teacher, or any other named demand school counselor. Yes, yes. Yes, yeah. So basically any any, any job role really where you might be supporting, working with people. So that’s probably quite a lot of jump outs out there. And so any job role where you might be coming into contact with others, and you might be supporting them in a helping relationship. But then also for an individual who might want to use it as a form of self discovery, so getting to know more about themselves about how they’re feeling in the present, and can be used alongside sort of journaling. So obviously, writing thoughts and feelings down, could be really therapeutic, it can help us to sort through our thoughts, Saurkraut clutter, you know, just get that in there. And, and just give you some clarity, barely and focus on what you might want to sort of change in your situation. So that’s the first starting point is to obviously, go through the card deck, look through the 40 themed cards, of which I will pick some out in a minute, we can look through property, but some of them on their own. So that’s a traumatic event.

Julie Coraccio 17:19
Can’t control anger. alcohol intake. a noose? Oh, these are really good. They’re different. It seems that what other things I’ve seen maybe with, I love that I love having kind of a theme as opposed to like jealousy, maybe that it might make you think, because I love phone use, because I think that is such a problem. And I think it is helped, in my view, isolate us more. And I think that not it’s isolated us from connection, but it is also then we compare because we see these fake lives, these curated lives, like on Instagram aren’t real. And if we are self esteem isn’t good. If we don’t feel good about ourselves, then that just compounds our problems. Yes, yes,

Natasha Page 18:09
I totally agree. And, of course, this year, more than ever, you know, living through COVID. You know, we’ve all been using electrical devices a lot more than usual. And of course, they’re great and fantastic things, allowing us to connect today. But then there’s this other side, obviously to social media, and how much we’re digesting what that actually does. Our mental health. So that’s why I put fake news on there. Because as much as I love technology, I also kinda hate it all at the same time. But because you’ve just mentioned, you know, this one being the last one that picked out phone you so I’ll go through how you use the card. So within obviously, the depth is the themes are suggest that a person picks up to five themes, probably no more than that, because otherwise it gets a bit overwhelming. And actually, it’s really honing down on what’s, you know, what are the key things that you might be struggling with? So this is obviously the phone use card and then just go through a series of questions. So I’ll pick a couple out. So they’re just exploratory questions. So again, if you’re using them with someone that you’re supporting, whether that be a family member, whether it be you know, someone that you’re working with, it’s just to help guide a discussion. So what is causing you to feel unhappy or distressed in this area of your life right now? So just getting the person to think about why is that you know, this area of their life actually causing them difficulties at the moment getting them to actually explain and talk about, you know, what’s going on for them. And then on this particular card, have asked them you know, what triggers can you identify that might make you reach for your phone? So I think we’ve all been guilty of it way Well, I know I have a you know in the middle of a conversation And you might hear a ping. And of course you reach for your phone, or is that just me? I don’t know.

Julie Coraccio 20:05
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Natasha Page 22:05
yes, yeah, no, it’s okay. And obviously, this is related to phone use. But of course, it can be applied to other areas. Like, you know, like you’ve just described there. So the idea was, is to Yes, to get the person to think about, you know, what are the triggers, you know, I guess making them more aware of their self, and what might be going on for them. Because the more aware we become internally about thoughts in our processes, of course, the more we can do about them. And, you know, I do that all the time, when working with clients in therapy, trying to raise their awareness, because by raising their awareness there then starting to learn more about themselves and what they might be able to do to help them you know, move forward or get out of a situation or control of just feel better at managing something. And then the last question on this card is, is what is the impact on you, or others if you don’t reduce your phone use? So really getting the person to reflect on why that might be important for them to try and make this change in their life? In case any questions so far about that first NIC card?

Julie Coraccio 23:20
No, I think that that’s great. And you know, how I phrase it as awareness plus action equals change it you know, it’s you got to be aware to change it, but then you have to do something about it.

Natasha Page 23:30
Yes, yeah. And then there’s some of the prompts following on that first part of the card. So it’s getting the person to think about what would you want things to be like if they could be different, getting them to envisage what that change would bring for them what that would look like. And again, this can be a really nice conversation to have with someone else. Or, as you can see this be quite easy to write down in a journal now in the privacy and space of your own, you know, time and just giving yourself time to think about that on your own. And then what free things do you think could help you to make steps towards this change? So again, it’s just getting the client to, to think ahead, you know, how could you start to implement change? What are three small steps does it have to be massive, it doesn’t have to be building my phone. Tomorrow. probably unrealistic. But it might be, you know, setting, for example, a time limit on your phone, or it might be having a detox a couple of days a week where you just leave your phone in a different room, so that they can just add in some ideas there and what’s one might do, okay, and then on each card, there’s a little inspirational note that I’ve just put the end there to just help the person with that subject. Now, obviously, there’s many difficult subjects in here. And you know, some of them haven’t mentioned that. Now. things like self harm, and suicide and things that, you know can really be difficult for people to open up about. And and this card. A little note that I’ve put is some some suggestions. So just mentioned there about bone detox. So have you tried to have a phone detox before, try leaving your phone in another room for an hour and do not touch it, see how this feels afterwards? Try building on this time, you know, having away from your device. So it’s just giving people little sort of things that they can take away as well, to help them feel more in control of their situation.

Julie Coraccio 25:40
Now, I’m curious, do you think this would be good for teens to use? Because I think it would be fantastic for teens? And I think a lot are struggling? And you know, but I want want to hear your take on it. Especially?

Natasha Page 25:53
Yes, yes. Yeah, no, well, I’m glad you’ve asked me. I mean, when I created this, I have created it with teenagers and adults in mind. So it is really for 11 Plus, I would say the themes on the card. Like I said, they don’t shy away from some quite difficult themes that we might talk about. So for example, like addiction is one of them. And so yes, definitely, really good for teenagers, but also, like wise for adults as well. And that’s why I purposely tried to design the cards with a bit of a nice

Julie Coraccio 26:29
photo, and I think, really, colors, yeah,

Natasha Page 26:33
and the visuals, and, you know, put your little fingers to them and made them very multicultural as well, obviously, that’s really important to me, that that diversity is reflected in the cards. Because, again, mental health is something that doesn’t discriminate, it affects all of us at some point in our lives, you know, whether it’s a more serious condition that people might have, like depression, or anxiety, or schizophrenia, or, you know, some of the really, you know, hard hardcore sort of mental health things that people struggle with two things that we might all sort of deal with on a day to day basis, you know, we all have periods of time where we might be feeling more stressed. Yeah, you know, whether that’s work related, or whether it’s things going on at home, whether it’s financial, you know, we’re human and, and that really is, you know, the, the point of these cards is to just make it more accessible for people to be able to talk about it, and maybe to reach out to people that they care about and be able to start a conversation.

Julie Coraccio 27:42
Yeah, no, I think that’s really important. So the state in America, where I grew up, as in West Virginia, and they have a huge heroin problem. And I believe that, you know, if we have access, meaning, you know, if we get the press, we’re not taught in schools how to deal with that we’re taught reading and writing and arithmetic. But how do I express this feeling? So I want you to talk a little bit about because I believe that we need to express our feelings, and I talked about it a lot about feel your feelings and not To label an emotion as good or bad. First, sample, Anger can empower you to take action, you get so dang angry, you do something about it. So I’d love your perspective on that.

Natasha Page 28:25
Yes, yeah. Well, I think my perspective is very much aligned with yours, Julie, you know, I don’t think there are emotions that are incorrect. Of course, with things like anger, it’s not about the feeling of anger. And often there’s other feelings underneath the surface. But it’s about how you display that anger isn’t it is what you do with that anger if you’re doing something that’s harmful, or that it’s not going to be, you know, helpful to you in the long run or to to other people, then, you know, that’s where the difficulties lie, but actually, understanding your anger and getting in touch with that anger and realizing where that might come from, or what other emotions are actually attached to anger, I think, are important, you know, because obviously, behind anger can be shame, can be fear can be anxiety. So, you know, that’s where I guess these cards can be helpful because it’s not just naming something that’s wrong. It’s actually getting below the surface and helping people explore just like like therapy does, which is obviously why I named it my little therapy bucks.

Julie Coraccio 29:35
Yeah, no. So the other thing I wanted to that I think that these cards would do a really good job about. I you know, I used to be like, either or black and white when I was a lot younger, but to me, life is gray. It is about the ATM and I did a podcast for May on resiliency and I think that these cards can really help with resiliency. resiliency. And I’ve had a couple conversations in previous podcasts this year where someone said to me, and this is definitely coming from a more spiritual perspective, if you don’t deal with your triggers, like you try to sanitize your world, they will find you. Like, if you say online, you know, don’t say this or don’t look at that, then the example they use, and you’re gonna run into it at the post office. And from a spiritual perspective, I really believe that because whatever we need to heal, whatever’s going on side of us. So developing resiliency, I think is super important. I think that that’s something that these cards can help with. And I’d love for you to share your thoughts on that.

Natasha Page 30:47
Yes, yeah. Well, you know, I 100% agree that resiliency is thing, you know, that people, it’s a skill, you know, that people have to build up and practice and, you know, I guess it’s something a bit like mental health, it’s on a continuum, as well, you know, it can change over time, it can change depending on how you’re experiencing life and what things are going on. So it doesn’t mean that someone’s perhaps not got the resources to, to bounce back and be resilient, they just might mean that at different periods they might struggle with with that, for whatever reason, you know, if it’s a bit like the stress bucket analogy, you know, you’ve got too much going in, and then, you know, maybe your resilience servers aren’t going to be as high. And, you know, if you’ve, for example, experienced a bereavement, you know, that, that’s me probably going to mean that you’re not going to be in as good and resilient places you might be, you know, in other periods of your life. So, I think it’s just about having that understanding that again, this is, it’s part of being human. And I do think that is where the cards can come in. Because if anything, gives you a sense of some kind of control over your life, and I think that is part of resilience is knowing that you have control over situations in your life. Now, I don’t want to say that there aren’t things that happen in life where we don’t feel like we’ve got control, or these bigger influences than hoses, you know, one single person, however, we all have the resources within us to, to grow and learn and to build yet resilience from different experiences. So, if anything, I think these cards can sort of help people to feel like they’ve got some form of control back over their life and that they can, they can, you know, do something about it.

Julie Coraccio 32:45
But also just even expressing the feelings to me is huge, because I think, you know, as women, I’m a little bit older than you are, but I think as women we’re often told, you know, don’t get angry, you know, that we have these son lady like, that is a term that I say, oh, you know, lady wouldn’t respond like that, you know, but I also it’s not just with women, I think a lot of men hold stuff inside because it’s unmasked Yulin, I’m putting that in quotes, because I believe it, it’s unmatched fueling for a man’s to express his feeling, you know, like, I’m always saying to my husband, like, go hang out with your guys, like, go have guy time and talk because then I’m not there. You guys can keep it real. And, you know, super important. Mental Health. I mean, I really believe that.

Natasha Page 33:33
Yes, yeah. I agree with that, as well. And I do think, you know, in terms of Yeah, holding feelings and emotions in. Yeah, men, men are still human, aren’t they, you know, that they might look a little different to us. But they, they’re still human. And I come across that all of the time in my work as a counselor, is that people, you know, men will come to counseling almost feel like, it’s not not everyone, but some clients have expressed that they feel like you know, they shouldn’t be here shouldn’t be coming to counseling. It, you know, all the things that you just said feeling like they be, you know, this space shouldn’t be something I attend, because I am Mayon. And what does that mean about me as you know, being the male. But, you know, I always try and help clients that are feeling like that to understand again, just what I said, you know, about the element of being human and just because you’re a male, it doesn’t mean you don’t have emotion. You know, it’s a good thing to feel emotion. People who don’t feel emotion or don’t ever get to talk about it, that’s not healthy. It’s not a healthy place to be. So, yes, definitely, I think, if if anything, this is something again, that the resource can do it can help to kind of prize that out some types of people that might be struggling with that, and certainly gas males as well. You know, I’ve got had a lady recently, who purchased one who bought it for her son. And because he was having a few struggles, and she thought it’d be a good way of helping him to communicate. And, you know, I asked for a bit of feedback. And she said they had really helped open up some themes and just some conversations around, you know, well being in their family. And so that was really nice to hear.

Julie Coraccio 35:31
Yeah, well, you know, the reality is hurt people hurt people. And whether they turn it outward to hurt others or inward to harm themselves. Why mental health and helping ourselves is so important, because I mean, I look at society today. And even these people who are awful well, because they’re hurt, because they something happened to them, and they didn’t deal with it. And so that’s how it manifests itself. Yeah. If we all had access to mental health resources, we’d live in a much different world, I believe.

Natasha Page 36:04
Yes, yes. And, and I agree. And, you know, this is just one small piece of the puzzle, isn’t it of a bigger picture. But it is about trying to make mental health more accessible, whether that’s having a conversation, whether it’s a prelude to actually realizing you might need to have therapy, and some of the cards do suggest that we have certain areas, you know, some of the areas like trauma, for example, you know, reading a card at home, is not going to fix years of hidden trauma. So I do recognize that and, you know, this isn’t to replace therapy at all very clear about the instructions. But what it is intended to is to be a therapeutic process, you know, where you can use the cards to explore your emotions, whether that’s on your own, or it is with someone else that you’re concerned about, or that you’re supporting. So, yes, 100%, making it more accessible. And again, reducing stigma, which is something that, you know, is a continued fight,

Julie Coraccio 37:13
but you never know that someone could pull that card. And that could be their, oh, I do have trauma. They read through the thing. And they’ve never been able to express that or admit that. I mean, I’ve seen that time and time again, you know, I’ll never I share the story. I was in my 30s. And my brother said to me, you see yourself as a victim. And in that moment, and I love my brother, but he’s not into personal growth. But you know what, he was right in that moment. And in that moment, I could hear that. Hmm, I see myself as victim. Well, what does that mean? And that really was a springboard to huge personal growth for me, because I said, I got to figure this out. What is going on about that? So yeah, it was Nestor underestimate the power of someone, look, using these cards and having an aha moment figure. Okay, now I need to move forward, I need to go get support. Yes. And I’m ready to do that.

Natasha Page 38:07
Yes, yeah. And that really is one of my hopes that this resource can bring, you know, it really is. It’s very rewarding when I hear people talking about how they have used the resource, and that it has helped them or it has helped them to, you know, talk to another family member about how they’re feeling. And it’s exactly what I envisage. You know, I was actually listening to a video earlier on today that someone sent me as a review, and actually got a little tear in her hair in her be back how, how that using the resources to help her and help to to talk to family members, she could she really captured in her words, the vision that helped when I was creating the product. You know, a lot of love has gone into this. I love working with people. I really love working in the mental health profession. I honestly feel like you know, I’m sure you feel this too. You know, when you are in, in job role in my business doing exactly what I was born to do. So, you know, every card that was designed, really a lot of love and thought has gone into them.

Julie Coraccio 39:17
That’s fantastic. Now I always want each episode talk about taking action. So I just want you to share whatever you feel comfortable to, you know, taking action on clear mental clutter. What what do you want to share with the audience? Okay, so,

Natasha Page 39:31
but when you face a taking action, the first thing that came into my mind was and I’m sorry, is connected to my my boss. But when he said taking action, it just made me think about the fact that I’d heard this idea of creating this product in 2019. And then, you know, time flew by, and then it was 2020 and I’d still Not even got pen to paper to start actually scribing and putting my ideas down and taking action really. And it was actually, it was Marie Forleo, I’m sure you probably heard of her. She’s, she’s big in America, it was actually her book that I read. And there was a part in there that said, you know, if you’ve got an idea, you’ve got passion, you’ve got something that you want to do, you either, you know, you’ve got to keep it to yourself, and you need to just forget about it and move on probably means you didn’t really want to do it anyway. Or you need to take action and start moving that idea forward. So it really was from reading that book that I took action, and that I thought, I really need to get this off the ground. And I think 2020 being, say, 2020, we still we’re still in this limbo position of life at the moment, Aren’t we trying to get through it and get get back to normal? But I think it was just a year of reflection. For me, you know, thinking about what did what do I really want in my life going forward, and you’ve got these ideas and things that could really help people, and you’re not doing anything about it. So instead of waiting, and waiting, and then seeing someone else, do my idea, or you know, create my idea, you need to get out there and take action, and just get on with it. And that’s something that I, I really believe in as well. God, you know, taking action is paramount, it’s something, I’m a doer, you know, I do things. And I love that. I love that part of who I am. And I think that, you know, that is from my mom and dad, you know, the work ethic. And but I also believe in doing what you love, and what you enjoy, and what you feel passionate about. And I think that can you know, some people don’t always know what that is. So maybe this listeners out there who were in that position where they don’t really know what their passion is, or what they enjoy or what would fulfill them. So maybe they need to try and take action just on that and finding out more about who you are as a person.

Julie Coraccio 42:14
Fantastic. Now I’ll tell people how they can buy the box, find it and learn more about your your website, all that good stuff.

Natasha Page 42:22
Yes. Okay. So in terms of purchasing the product, if you head over to my website, which is little therapy box, l Okay, and hopefully you’ll be able to put this in your notes.

Julie Coraccio 42:44
I’m sure. The liner notes for the podcast,

Natasha Page 42:48
right. Okay. So that’s if anyone’s interested in actually learning more about about the product, there’s a little video of me talking about it. Although I’m sure you’ve probably heard enough of me talking about it today. So you can visit there and do ship worldwide. I did have my first sale in America the other week, which was great. I’ve only been launched for six months. So I’ve been selling mostly in Europe. But it was lovely to get that first American order. I’d love to get some more I’d love to know that these are floating around in people’s dining room tables and in their drawers. So yes, if you visit the website, I’ve also got a counseling company as well in England, and that is WW dot. This is me But obviously, that’s that’s my counseling and therapy business. But if you want to learn more about me, then please visit either website. And there’s also links to some articles that I’ve been involved in as well. And hopefully I’m going to be getting my blog start soon because I’ve only done by one and then didn’t take much more action after that. But Julie’s hopefully going to feature on one of my blog soon aren’t Yes, that’d be great.

Julie Coraccio 44:04
Absolutely. Well, thank you for coming on today and sharing your passion. I appreciate it. It’s okay lovely to be here. On our next episode, we’re celebrating my 400th episode. going to surprise you with what that is. Go out. Clear Your Clutter to create the life you choose deserve and desire. When you clear your clutter, you can share your guests with the world. Sign up for our free newsletter at reawaken your brilliance calm. Even enjoy Clear Your Clutter inside now. Please rate, review and share us

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